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	<title>Comments on: Paper claiming hottest 60-year-span in 1,000 years put on hold after being published online</title>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/paper-claiming-hottest-60-year-span-in-1000-years-put-on-hold-after-being-published-online/#comment-28826</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the U. of Melbourne PR site it now says the study has been re-submitted to Journal of Climate for new review.  So perhaps they had to formally withdraw the previous version and then re-submit?


http://newsroom.melbourne.edu/studio/ep-149
&lt;blockquote&gt;

Scientific study resubmitted.

An issue has been identified in the processing of the data used in the study, &quot;Evidence of unusual late 20th century warming from an Australasian temperature reconstruction spanning the last millennium&quot; by Joelle Gergis, Raphael Neukom, Ailie Gallant, Steven Phipps and David Karoly, accepted for publication in the Journal of Climate. 

The manuscript has been re-submitted to the Journal of Climate and is being reviewed again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the U. of Melbourne PR site it now says the study has been re-submitted to Journal of Climate for new review.  So perhaps they had to formally withdraw the previous version and then re-submit?</p>
<p><a href="http://newsroom.melbourne.edu/studio/ep-149" rel="nofollow">http://newsroom.melbourne.edu/studio/ep-149</a></p>
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<p>Scientific study resubmitted.</p>
<p>An issue has been identified in the processing of the data used in the study, &#8220;Evidence of unusual late 20th century warming from an Australasian temperature reconstruction spanning the last millennium&#8221; by Joelle Gergis, Raphael Neukom, Ailie Gallant, Steven Phipps and David Karoly, accepted for publication in the Journal of Climate. </p>
<p>The manuscript has been re-submitted to the Journal of Climate and is being reviewed again.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/paper-claiming-hottest-60-year-span-in-1000-years-put-on-hold-after-being-published-online/#comment-28825</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Update at the website of the Journal of Climate (American Meteorological Society):

http://journals.ametsoc.org/page/JCLI-D-11-00649

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&quot;Due to errors discovered in this paper during the publication process, 

it was withdrawn by the authors prior to being published in final form.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

[h/t Jean S. at Climate Audit]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update at the website of the Journal of Climate (American Meteorological Society):</p>
<p><a href="http://journals.ametsoc.org/page/JCLI-D-11-00649" rel="nofollow">http://journals.ametsoc.org/page/JCLI-D-11-00649</a></p>
<blockquote><p>
&#8220;Due to errors discovered in this paper during the publication process, </p>
<p>it was withdrawn by the authors prior to being published in final form.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>[h/t Jean S. at Climate Audit]</p>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/paper-claiming-hottest-60-year-span-in-1000-years-put-on-hold-after-being-published-online/#comment-18351</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2012 07:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[curiouser and curiouser..... whatever is going on with this paper, it appears that Steve McIntyre is correct that it will not be simple corrections .... he said on Climate Audit that Gergis et al. had a serious dilemma between detrending the data or not, because if they changed course in the revised paper only 8 of 27 data proxies would have statistical significance.  

Has Retraction Watch gotten any straight info from the journal or the authors about the genuine status of this paper?  Why were they not able to salvage it in 2 months, when they previously announced that they expected to re-submit by the end of July, which was the deadline for being included in the IPCC&#039;s AR5 process?  (and which was a stated goal of the Gergis et al. project announced repeatedly with much fanfare).....  this was supposed to be &quot;the&quot; Southern Hemisphere paleoclimate millenial reconstruction for the Australasian region in the next IPCC report (AR5), according to Gergis.  Will there not be such data since they have missed the IPCC deadline for submission?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://newsroom.melbourne.edu/news/javascript%3A%3B?page=5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Aug. 2 announcement on Gergis et al. (2012) on U. Melbourne website&lt;/a&gt; 


[emphasis added]

&lt;i&gt;1000 years of climate data confirms Australia’s warming
2 Aug 2012, 12.40 PM
Print publication of scientific study on hold

An issue has been identified in the processing of the data used in the study, &quot;Evidence of unusual late 20th century warming from an Australasian temperature reconstruction spanning the last millennium&quot; by Joelle Gergis, Raphael Neukom, Stephen Phipps, Ailie Gallant and David Karoly, accepted for publication in the Journal of Climate. 

&lt;b&gt;The authors are performing detailed reanalysis of the data for the above paper and will submit the revised paper to the journal as soon as possible, likely before the end of September.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>curiouser and curiouser&#8230;.. whatever is going on with this paper, it appears that Steve McIntyre is correct that it will not be simple corrections &#8230;. he said on Climate Audit that Gergis et al. had a serious dilemma between detrending the data or not, because if they changed course in the revised paper only 8 of 27 data proxies would have statistical significance.  </p>
<p>Has Retraction Watch gotten any straight info from the journal or the authors about the genuine status of this paper?  Why were they not able to salvage it in 2 months, when they previously announced that they expected to re-submit by the end of July, which was the deadline for being included in the IPCC&#8217;s AR5 process?  (and which was a stated goal of the Gergis et al. project announced repeatedly with much fanfare)&#8230;..  this was supposed to be &#8220;the&#8221; Southern Hemisphere paleoclimate millenial reconstruction for the Australasian region in the next IPCC report (AR5), according to Gergis.  Will there not be such data since they have missed the IPCC deadline for submission?</p>
<p><a href="http://newsroom.melbourne.edu/news/javascript%3A%3B?page=5" rel="nofollow">Aug. 2 announcement on Gergis et al. (2012) on U. Melbourne website</a> </p>
<p>[emphasis added]</p>
<p><i>1000 years of climate data confirms Australia’s warming<br />
2 Aug 2012, 12.40 PM<br />
Print publication of scientific study on hold</p>
<p>An issue has been identified in the processing of the data used in the study, &#8220;Evidence of unusual late 20th century warming from an Australasian temperature reconstruction spanning the last millennium&#8221; by Joelle Gergis, Raphael Neukom, Stephen Phipps, Ailie Gallant and David Karoly, accepted for publication in the Journal of Climate. </p>
<p><b>The authors are performing detailed reanalysis of the data for the above paper and will submit the revised paper to the journal as soon as possible, likely before the end of September.</b></i></p>
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		<title>By: AJ</title>
		<link>http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/paper-claiming-hottest-60-year-span-in-1000-years-put-on-hold-after-being-published-online/#comment-17662</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2012 04:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For a counterpoint on the Wegman plagiarism affair:

http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/29/mosher-on-the-provenance-of-said-et-al-2008/

It appears that the plagiarized introduction/overview/boilerplate was not willful, merely lazy.

To a disinterested third-party the solution would be to properly attribute the immaterial material thru an addendum.

The reason for the retraction is puzzling.  Being climate science, my guess is politics.

Oh well, it&#039;s just a matter of time.  Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a counterpoint on the Wegman plagiarism affair:</p>
<p><a href="http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/29/mosher-on-the-provenance-of-said-et-al-2008/" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/2011/05/29/mosher-on-the-provenance-of-said-et-al-2008/</a></p>
<p>It appears that the plagiarized introduction/overview/boilerplate was not willful, merely lazy.</p>
<p>To a disinterested third-party the solution would be to properly attribute the immaterial material thru an addendum.</p>
<p>The reason for the retraction is puzzling.  Being climate science, my guess is politics.</p>
<p>Oh well, it&#8217;s just a matter of time.  Those who live by the sword, die by the sword.</p>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/paper-claiming-hottest-60-year-span-in-1000-years-put-on-hold-after-being-published-online/#comment-17548</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 05:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry, forgot link to website for NOAA message about &quot;withdrawal&quot; of Gergis et al 2012:

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/gergis2012/gergis2012australasia.txt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, forgot link to website for NOAA message about &#8220;withdrawal&#8221; of Gergis et al 2012:</p>
<p><a href="ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/gergis2012/gergis2012australasia.txt" rel="nofollow">ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/contributions_by_author/gergis2012/gergis2012australasia.txt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/paper-claiming-hottest-60-year-span-in-1000-years-put-on-hold-after-being-published-online/#comment-17547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 05:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NOAA site also refers to &quot;withdrawal of Gergis et al 2012&quot;
What exactly does Karoly&#039;s &quot;on hold&quot; mean again?

Here is the message on the official data site of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration:


NAME OF DATA SET: 
Australasia 1000 Year Ensemble Temperature Reconstructions 

LAST UPDATE: 6/2012 (Removal of reconstruction data due to
withdrawal of Gergis et al. 2012, Journal of Climate.  
Original receipt by WDC Paleo 5/2012)

CONTRIBUTORS: Gergis, J., R. Neukom, S.J. Phipps, A.J.E. Gallant, 
D.J. Karoly, and PAGES Aus2K Project Members. 
IGBP PAGES/WDCA CONTRIBUTION SERIES NUMBER: 2012-061]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOAA site also refers to &#8220;withdrawal of Gergis et al 2012&#8243;<br />
What exactly does Karoly&#8217;s &#8220;on hold&#8221; mean again?</p>
<p>Here is the message on the official data site of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration:</p>
<p>NAME OF DATA SET:<br />
Australasia 1000 Year Ensemble Temperature Reconstructions </p>
<p>LAST UPDATE: 6/2012 (Removal of reconstruction data due to<br />
withdrawal of Gergis et al. 2012, Journal of Climate.<br />
Original receipt by WDC Paleo 5/2012)</p>
<p>CONTRIBUTORS: Gergis, J., R. Neukom, S.J. Phipps, A.J.E. Gallant,<br />
D.J. Karoly, and PAGES Aus2K Project Members.<br />
IGBP PAGES/WDCA CONTRIBUTION SERIES NUMBER: 2012-061</p>
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		<title>By: Skiphil</title>
		<link>http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/paper-claiming-hottest-60-year-span-in-1000-years-put-on-hold-after-being-published-online/#comment-17545</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skiphil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 04:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting developments with the withdrawn (aka &quot;on hold&quot;) paper Gergis et al 2012, info from FOI requests in Australia:

http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/AIMS%20Emails%20J.Gergis%20and%20J.Lough%281.1.10-19.6.12%29.pdf

http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=1688#comments


Gergis:  &quot;we needed to voluntarily withdraw the paper in press with the journal&quot;


There are several extraordinary, disturbing statements in the email letter to co-authors and data suppliers.

This letter reads more like a &quot;cover story&quot; trying to get everyone on the same page for journalist inquiries than any candid effort to ensure the science is done right.

1) Why does she use the word &quot;withdraw&quot; the paper when her senior co-author Karoly pretended the paper was &quot;on hold&quot; (whatever that curious expression means for a paper already published in the journal&#039;s online site)?

2) Why does she know prior to re-analysis of the data that their conclusions will not change?

3) It has been asserted on Climate Audit that with the change of data methods she will not have statistically robust data for more than 8 proxies (not the 22 she claims in the letter linked above), so this bears close attention when they resubmit. 

4) Why does she seem to be concerned only to &quot;avoid further negative commentary on the paper&quot; rather than to arrive at scientifically robust results?  This does not read to me like the letter of a rigorous credible scientist determined to arrive at the most accurate and statistically robust result, whatever it may be.

5) Why does she pretend (is it credible and will she produce evidence) that she or a co-author discovered the data problem on June 5 independently of Climate AUdit&#039;s comment of the same date drawing attention to the problem?
(Australia of course is one day ahead of North America for a substantial portion of each day, so she may in effect be claiming that they found the problem June 4 in N. American time zones, but where IS the evidence for this claim?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting developments with the withdrawn (aka &#8220;on hold&#8221;) paper Gergis et al 2012, info from FOI requests in Australia:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/AIMS%20Emails%20J.Gergis%20and%20J.Lough%281.1.10-19.6.12%29.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.warwickhughes.com/agri/AIMS%20Emails%20J.Gergis%20and%20J.Lough%281.1.10-19.6.12%29.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=1688#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=1688#comments</a></p>
<p>Gergis:  &#8220;we needed to voluntarily withdraw the paper in press with the journal&#8221;</p>
<p>There are several extraordinary, disturbing statements in the email letter to co-authors and data suppliers.</p>
<p>This letter reads more like a &#8220;cover story&#8221; trying to get everyone on the same page for journalist inquiries than any candid effort to ensure the science is done right.</p>
<p>1) Why does she use the word &#8220;withdraw&#8221; the paper when her senior co-author Karoly pretended the paper was &#8220;on hold&#8221; (whatever that curious expression means for a paper already published in the journal&#8217;s online site)?</p>
<p>2) Why does she know prior to re-analysis of the data that their conclusions will not change?</p>
<p>3) It has been asserted on Climate Audit that with the change of data methods she will not have statistically robust data for more than 8 proxies (not the 22 she claims in the letter linked above), so this bears close attention when they resubmit. </p>
<p>4) Why does she seem to be concerned only to &#8220;avoid further negative commentary on the paper&#8221; rather than to arrive at scientifically robust results?  This does not read to me like the letter of a rigorous credible scientist determined to arrive at the most accurate and statistically robust result, whatever it may be.</p>
<p>5) Why does she pretend (is it credible and will she produce evidence) that she or a co-author discovered the data problem on June 5 independently of Climate AUdit&#8217;s comment of the same date drawing attention to the problem?<br />
(Australia of course is one day ahead of North America for a substantial portion of each day, so she may in effect be claiming that they found the problem June 4 in N. American time zones, but where IS the evidence for this claim?)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve McIntyre</title>
		<link>http://retractionwatch.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/paper-claiming-hottest-60-year-span-in-1000-years-put-on-hold-after-being-published-online/#comment-17413</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve McIntyre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Karoly told Retraction Watch on June 12 that &quot;the paper has not been withdrawn nor has it been retracted&quot;  However on June 13, coauthor Gergis wrote to Gergis et al coauthors and three Real Climate authors saying that they had decided to &quot;voluntarily withdraw the paper in press&quot;. See http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/24/was-gergis-et-al-withdrawn/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karoly told Retraction Watch on June 12 that &#8220;the paper has not been withdrawn nor has it been retracted&#8221;  However on June 13, coauthor Gergis wrote to Gergis et al coauthors and three Real Climate authors saying that they had decided to &#8220;voluntarily withdraw the paper in press&#8221;. See <a href="http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/24/was-gergis-et-al-withdrawn/" rel="nofollow">http://climateaudit.org/2012/07/24/was-gergis-et-al-withdrawn/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grey</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 17:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the newspaper The Australian is the claim that the Climate Audit team have been trying to get the details and content of the datasets that were excluded from the final analysis.

The suggestion being that the conclusion may partially be the result of cherry-picking.  To my best knowledge they have been stone-walled in these requests.

But others may know more details.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the newspaper The Australian is the claim that the Climate Audit team have been trying to get the details and content of the datasets that were excluded from the final analysis.</p>
<p>The suggestion being that the conclusion may partially be the result of cherry-picking.  To my best knowledge they have been stone-walled in these requests.</p>
<p>But others may know more details.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2012 16:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hro001, to answer your question, I don’t know of any other paper in climate science that has been published on line and then been withdrawn (temporarily or otherwise) although at least one has been retracted in the normal fashion. So it’s not “prevalent” in climate science as I’m sure you could have discovered yourself! On the other hand I know of several examples of papers being accepted for publication and then being withdrawn or put on hold pre-publication, pending reassessment of the data (including one of my own papers) in the pre-electronic age, and I expect it still happens. It doesn’t seem that big a deal; the aim is to get stuff into the scientific literature that is as “correct” as possible.  

To my mind it’s satisfactory that publishing practices are sufficiently flexible to accommodate this particular instance. It’s also not surprising that people are attempting to extract political mileage from this episode! 

Notice btw, that re your plea about &quot;...attempt(ing) to divert the discussion here from the &lt;i&gt;important&lt;/i&gt; issues in this matter...&quot;, that it was the very first responder on this thread that did the &quot;diverting the discussion&quot;; that&#039;s sadly par for the course when it comes to pretty much any scientific field where there are agendas that benefit from misrepresenting the science. 

I do agree with you re press releases which is one of the minor scourges of modern science (along with the huge expansion of junk journals and the metrification of research effort which tends to encourage dodgy practices amongst the less-than-scrupulous). It would be nice if there was a rule that stated that any significant reappraisal of research trumpeted in a press release should be given an equally prominent showing in the sources it was trumpeted....but I expect we&#039;ll wait in vain for such a happy outcome....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hro001, to answer your question, I don’t know of any other paper in climate science that has been published on line and then been withdrawn (temporarily or otherwise) although at least one has been retracted in the normal fashion. So it’s not “prevalent” in climate science as I’m sure you could have discovered yourself! On the other hand I know of several examples of papers being accepted for publication and then being withdrawn or put on hold pre-publication, pending reassessment of the data (including one of my own papers) in the pre-electronic age, and I expect it still happens. It doesn’t seem that big a deal; the aim is to get stuff into the scientific literature that is as “correct” as possible.  </p>
<p>To my mind it’s satisfactory that publishing practices are sufficiently flexible to accommodate this particular instance. It’s also not surprising that people are attempting to extract political mileage from this episode! </p>
<p>Notice btw, that re your plea about &#8220;&#8230;attempt(ing) to divert the discussion here from the <i>important</i> issues in this matter&#8230;&#8221;, that it was the very first responder on this thread that did the &#8220;diverting the discussion&#8221;; that&#8217;s sadly par for the course when it comes to pretty much any scientific field where there are agendas that benefit from misrepresenting the science. </p>
<p>I do agree with you re press releases which is one of the minor scourges of modern science (along with the huge expansion of junk journals and the metrification of research effort which tends to encourage dodgy practices amongst the less-than-scrupulous). It would be nice if there was a rule that stated that any significant reappraisal of research trumpeted in a press release should be given an equally prominent showing in the sources it was trumpeted&#8230;.but I expect we&#8217;ll wait in vain for such a happy outcome&#8230;.</p>
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